Comments on: When Browser Choice might not be helpful http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/ Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:53:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: kristen http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-2716 kristen Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:02:13 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-2716 this new Firefox software is pretty cooooooool! love it LOL this new Firefox software is pretty cooooooool! love it LOL

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By: Neil Feltham http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-2325 Neil Feltham Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:32:01 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-2325 Personally I do not want to see browser choice on any windows machine. It was built with internet explorer in mind and should stay that way. I have used the likes of mozilla and others and just don't like them. Brussels should BACK OFF!!! Personally I do not want to see browser choice on any windows machine. It was built with internet explorer in mind and should stay that way. I have used the likes of mozilla and others and just don’t like them.

Brussels should BACK OFF!!!

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By: James http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-2126 James Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:43:40 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-2126 People complaining about the force of providing choice need to take into consideration that progress of web design standards has been impeded to date because the majority of users get IE by default and don't have the option to choose a more progressive browser. The effect is limiting the standard rate of web standard progress to that of the IE team. If most users weren't on IE driven systems, this wouldn't be an issue, but they are. By presenting a choice, humans are statistically likely to even out that gap, which will result in a more balance and complete framework for web design in the future. I'm an administrator at a small business, and the users honestly don't care which browser they use. They simply want it to work. Their only gripe is when sites are designed specifically for IE, and thus don't work properly in Mozilla. All the web based infections/problems I have dealt with on the job have come from from IE users, and the employees themselves can attest to this correlation. If not I would not have been able to get them to accept the necessity of dual usage. Recently, I finally had an IE coworker log into a site for their job which would not work properly in IE8 without forcing compatibility mode, but which worked just fine in Mozilla. It was fun to see them finally realize that IE is not the definition of a normal web browser. As the browser usage levels even out, I think we'll see a lot more of this. IE will have to change to become a standards interoperable system, instead of one that requires a very specific type of design concurrent to progress. Currently, I don't think Microsoft recognizes an incentive to do that, only a need to change IEs appearance and lock down its security so that they look like a next generation browser to the uninformed user. Beyond the need for progress, I think the plug-in system of Mozilla defines what a web browser should be. A flexible and adaptable system for using the web. Many users are amazed when I show them Ad-Block Plus, Colorzilla, and Personas. They don't realize that they can easily understand and change their web experience because nobody tells them. Users rely on the information they get when they start using their computer to figure out what they can do, so I believe wholeheartedly that the simple mandate will improve the quality of the web and computer usage for all. People complaining about the force of providing choice need to take into consideration that progress of web design standards has been impeded to date because the majority of users get IE by default and don’t have the option to choose a more progressive browser.

The effect is limiting the standard rate of web standard progress to that of the IE team. If most users weren’t on IE driven systems, this wouldn’t be an issue, but they are. By presenting a choice, humans are statistically likely to even out that gap, which will result in a more balance and complete framework for web design in the future.

I’m an administrator at a small business, and the users honestly don’t care which browser they use. They simply want it to work. Their only gripe is when sites are designed specifically for IE, and thus don’t work properly in Mozilla.

All the web based infections/problems I have dealt with on the job have come from from IE users, and the employees themselves can attest to this correlation. If not I would not have been able to get them to accept the necessity of dual usage.

Recently, I finally had an IE coworker log into a site for their job which would not work properly in IE8 without forcing compatibility mode, but which worked just fine in Mozilla. It was fun to see them finally realize that IE is not the definition of a normal web browser.

As the browser usage levels even out, I think we’ll see a lot more of this. IE will have to change to become a standards interoperable system, instead of one that requires a very specific type of design concurrent to progress. Currently, I don’t think Microsoft recognizes an incentive to do that, only a need to change IEs appearance and lock down its security so that they look like a next generation browser to the uninformed user.

Beyond the need for progress, I think the plug-in system of Mozilla defines what a web browser should be. A flexible and adaptable system for using the web.

Many users are amazed when I show them Ad-Block Plus, Colorzilla, and Personas. They don’t realize that they can easily understand and change their web experience because nobody tells them.

Users rely on the information they get when they start using their computer to figure out what they can do, so I believe wholeheartedly that the simple mandate will improve the quality of the web and computer usage for all.

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By: Timbone http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-2072 Timbone Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:47:30 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-2072 why does firefox always tell me that my script on facebook isnt responding its very annoying I even selected dont ask me again but it does everytime I even have the latest update It is really getting on my nerves as everything freezes up why does firefox always tell me that my script on facebook isnt responding
its very annoying
I even selected dont ask me again but it does everytime
I even have the latest update
It is really getting on my nerves
as everything freezes up

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By: Skylar http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-1993 Skylar Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:38:09 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-1993 I hated Internet Explorer before I even knew about other browsers being available. Unfortunately I still have to use Internet Explorer because Microsoft forces us to use it for Microsoft Update. I currently use mozilla Firefox on my PC with MS Windows 2000 Pro SP4, MS Windows XP Pro SP4, MS Windows 7, and Linux Ubuntu and Freespire, all penta-booting on my system ( at least I think that's what it's called when you have five Operating Systems on the same PC ) and I run Opera on my iMac G3 with MAC OSX Panther installed. I hated Internet Explorer before I even knew about other browsers being available. Unfortunately I still have to use Internet Explorer because Microsoft forces us to use it for Microsoft Update. I currently use mozilla Firefox on my PC with MS Windows 2000 Pro SP4, MS Windows XP Pro SP4, MS Windows 7, and Linux Ubuntu and Freespire, all penta-booting on my system ( at least I think that’s what it’s called when you have five Operating Systems on the same PC ) and I run Opera on my iMac G3 with MAC OSX Panther installed.

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By: OVI http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-1991 OVI Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:19:37 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-1991 Chrome is a fast runner, watch out FF! Chrome is a fast runner, watch out FF!

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By: Sven http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-1963 Sven Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:19:16 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-1963 The problem with IE is that it cripples the web. It requires so much additional work for a web developer or webdesigner to make it Internet Explorer-compatible (honestly, 50% of my development time goes towards IE compatibility), that a lot of developers either don't have enough time to develop features, or simply switch to some proprietary IE "standard", meaning it will be incompatible with just about every other non-IE browser. There are standards, and IE does not adhere to them, therefore you could say IE is "at fault". If IE is going to adhere to the standards, fine, and you won't hear me complaining, but until Microsoft stops putting out crap, users should be made aware of the fact that there are other browsers (that, in the end, will help the development of the web because developers have more time to make up new concepts). And then there's the huge number of security issues in Internet Explorer etc., but I'm sure we all know that drill by now, so I won't start complaining about those. Currently IE is hindering web development, and that should be brought to a halt. I don't care whether that happens by phasing out IE and switching to other browsers, or by making IE standards-compliant, but it really should be fixed up somehow. The problem with IE is that it cripples the web. It requires so much additional work for a web developer or webdesigner to make it Internet Explorer-compatible (honestly, 50% of my development time goes towards IE compatibility), that a lot of developers either don’t have enough time to develop features, or simply switch to some proprietary IE “standard”, meaning it will be incompatible with just about every other non-IE browser. There are standards, and IE does not adhere to them, therefore you could say IE is “at fault”. If IE is going to adhere to the standards, fine, and you won’t hear me complaining, but until Microsoft stops putting out crap, users should be made aware of the fact that there are other browsers (that, in the end, will help the development of the web because developers have more time to make up new concepts).

And then there’s the huge number of security issues in Internet Explorer etc., but I’m sure we all know that drill by now, so I won’t start complaining about those. Currently IE is hindering web development, and that should be brought to a halt. I don’t care whether that happens by phasing out IE and switching to other browsers, or by making IE standards-compliant, but it really should be fixed up somehow.

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By: oz http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-1898 oz Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:58:45 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-1898 Firefox is ace, I like IE, The EU should not get involved in regards to a consumer choice concept being driven, Firefox does well via word of mouth and not being a martyr to the Microsoft platform. They build their os, it's there right to install whatever they want on it by default and it's my right to customise the hell out of it. I don't use IE directly only via the IE-Tab add-on for Firefox when certain activex controls are desired. Most of the time when I fix a customers computer I install Firefox for them after removal of the various malware installed by IE, saying that chrome is just as bad. Maybe another angle is better advertising, use the media advantage or just carry on as normal because each day more and more people switch to FF. Firefox is ace, I like IE, The EU should not get involved in regards to a consumer choice concept being driven, Firefox does well via word of mouth and not being a martyr to the Microsoft platform. They build their os, it’s there right to install whatever they want on it by default and it’s my right to customise the hell out of it. I don’t use IE directly only via the IE-Tab add-on for Firefox when certain activex controls are desired. Most of the time when I fix a customers computer I install Firefox for them after removal of the various malware installed by IE, saying that chrome is just as bad. Maybe another angle is better advertising, use the media advantage or just carry on as normal because each day more and more people switch to FF.

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By: Joost Ringoot http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-1772 Joost Ringoot Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:21:28 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-1772 Nice step. Next step is OS choice, when a computer first boots you should have the choice between a couple OS-ses, also non microsoft ones like: (free)BSD, Fedora, Centos, Redhat, Ubuntu, Minix, Debian, (open)Suse, etc... Nice step. Next step is OS choice, when a computer first boots you should have the choice between a couple OS-ses, also non microsoft ones like: (free)BSD, Fedora, Centos, Redhat, Ubuntu, Minix, Debian, (open)Suse, etc…

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By: behind_uor_shadow http://opentochoice.org/2010/03/when-browser-choice-might-not-be-helpful/#comment-1737 behind_uor_shadow Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:35:57 +0000 http://opentochoice.org/?p=3416#comment-1737 If any-one love Internet Explorer, then believe me try the Firefox. Next time u will hate the IE. If any-one love Internet Explorer, then believe me try the Firefox. Next time u will hate the IE.

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